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As an aside FRAM...your kinda admitting that teams are stacked and play below there division to qualify for the provincials?

and your with the LMBHF Admin?

what is the point of the regular season?...where is the fair chance for all?...who appointed you to say who goes and doesn't go?

What incentive is there for the other temas to get better when they know they are playing against rigged teams who are using the regular season as an extended practice session?

One way to stop this crap: In Ontario the first 5 games are played in reg. season to see how teams are doing in each division.

then if one teams seems to be in the wrong division either because they are losing real bad or winning by riduculous amounts they get swapped and moved around appropiately.

now that would stop this arrogance your writing about.

actually craig ... gazoo didnt crash they went 3-0 before losing in the semi's.. so before you talk scat you should check that your team and bombers didnt even make it past the qualifying rounds.. drinking or not your playing C div. Old or not thats even wOrse knowing u have A players in a C div provincial and still losing not even QUALIFYING to the semi's.. So before you spout like you know..


and westcoast rob of course there stacks the ball hockey league run right now is a shamble we only 3 A' teams to represent BC, B div is where the real skill is at developing right now, if you see both Giants won B and A at provincials should tell you where BC ball hockey stands at this current point. and as far as stacking and rigging that has been on as long as anyone can remember, and its going to continue this way when the league owner and representer runs a team and manages what happens, not to mention the reff's who will remain nameless except for the ones who truly do an outstanding job night in and night out and make the game runn smooth.

So these guys did not make it? The Gazoo lost in the Semis and this year they played A. Who in C could this year made it to the Semis? That is the whole point. If us old guys could not do it but yet everyone whines we are stacked and beating everyone in sight who else will do it? I heard the "stacked" teams complaining the out of town teams were "stacked" even more.

And in your post you were spouting off all the things the league admin was doing that was wrong because you thought the bombers won it all last season.

Perhaps you are upset you were not picked up by the higher placed teams. Your time will come as you add more seasons under your belt.

As for the other teams by all means get better. That is all it really is about. Play and beat the teams in the division. Yes the teams that did not making it out of the qualifying round in the provincials this year. If they are so stacked and so good why did just showing up not get it done. If you can do better than beat these teams that are so super stacked and good despite not winning the big prize.

That is all there is to it. The rest does not really matter.

As for teams playing below their division what titles have they won as a team? Sure there are former A division players and such but there are also friends and family members learning how to play the game too. Not every single player on these teams could play A. As for teams playing within the rules to get pickups under 25 not just 1 or 2 teams are allowed to do this. Every team in the division can do this. Get on with doing the same.

Until the rule is changed why not use it? It is a part of the rules.

As I said before at the start of the season every team should just be given a 1st place and MVP award for every player and a Provincial title too. Then we could just play and not go on and on about the teams that cannot get it done. Yes I've played on those teams that could not get it done and came oh so close to doing so and finally this year pulled it off.

This is Rec hockey. That is all this is. The rest of this will sort it self out as the newer and younger players start showing up and replacing the older vets that have done their time in the higher divisions.

As for rule changes about the minimum number of games once again go to the meetings and have the rules change. Then all the team will learn how to play within these new rules. It is just that simple.

Many have been calling for the re-seeding of teams in the regular season like ice hockey but not enough have pushed for it.

ok...we have answers...go to meetings and submit new rules..thanx

the re-seeding is a grat idea

if they can do it in Ontario you can do it in B.C

I suspect there isn't a lot of push for this because it would seriously put a hold on best laid plans around a drinking table of best way to stack teams and how to enter into lower dividions where you don't belong.

In combination with the rule about playing x amount of games before you can qualify for a teams play-off sked

I think some of these guys that are posting should be playing in C2. This year C division was competitive in both the Westerns and in Frasers. No clearcut winners. NWO won first C championship as did Jokers in team hisotry.

As for the Satans, who cares let them have there C championship and there were teams that year that had great chances in beating those guys but didnt. Someone let me know if Satans have won B provincials or Westerns. I dont think they have. I say keep those guys in B division next season, as C division teams moving up will be able to compete if not beat that team. There really not as great as you think they are people so stop hyping them up. ND GIANTS!!!!!!!

As long as you have C provincials there will always be stacked teams trying to win a provincial title.

To say that the Flyers (who just won C provincials a couple of years ago) and the Campbell River teams were C teams is just plain silly. These teams were beating the best fvbhl and wbhl teams by 6 and 7 goals. The out of town leagues have almost abandonded A and B division completely in favour of super stacked C teams.

Why are there so few B teams across the province?

They are all playing C!

Get rid of C provincials completely.

I do not believe eliminating the C provincials is the answer to any problem. The C division makes up the majority of our men's members and have as much right to a provincial championship as anyone.

The problem as I see it is at the league level. Leagues need to place teams in the proper division of competition. My advice for the lower mainland league for 2011 would be this.

Top 4 B teams from 2010 move to A. Realistically we had 2 teams in A that were above everyone else. If the top 4 B teams played in A this year there would have been competitive games every night

Move 3 Teams from FVBHL C and 3 teams from WBHL C up to B Division. With the remaining teams in B division that were not advanced to A, you would have a competitive B Division and the C Division would have more parity from top to bottom and allow top C2 teams to move up and be competitive.

Scrap the U-25 rule. It is not fair to the out of lower mainland leagues who do not have A teams and cannot utilize the rule to the advantage that lower mainland teams can. This is why they have been forced to stack teams to compete at provincials.

Other leagues from around the province need to also place teams to the level of there competition. Possibly all leagues need to have rosters submitted before the season to ensure teams are placed in proper divisions.

how does someone get on the Admin board?

Some thoughts on what i've read thus far:

- Sure you could get rid of C Provincials BUT isnt this totally unfair to the REAL C teams????
- Cant we re-structure the U25 rule to make it work better?
- The Bombers did not win the season or in Victoria so whats the beef????
- Swiggy's idea sounds fair overall.
- Sure there are B teams that should be in A but not that many would have a serious chance and that would discourage players from coming out. Stupid but true. Id say move up Satans and Giants this year and maybe some more teams next season.
- one thing that must be done (and i read somewhere here) is that the LEAGUE must re-assign teams at some midpoint in the season and this is the BEST idea and might just do it without tampering with Provincials and other silly stuff

oh almost forgot, I love it when people with obvious personal vandettas bash a team and make like they play for a rival team!! Ha ha satans should stay in B'? right! GO ND GIANTS!!!!

This was my suggestion and it works!!!.....

I have played in Ontario ball hockey and they do it so why can't we?

I didn't have time to read al of them so I appologize if this was said....

I would like to mention that these ideas are good but it doesn't stop the teams that are forced up a division from merging with another team. This is how this all the teams got retracted in the first place.

The current rule is if you make Provincilas in consecutive years you are ineligible in the 3rd year if you stay in the same divisions so despite popular forum rankings the Mustangs will have to get killed in "A" for a year just so the league can make their point. or we could stay in "B" and have nothing to play for.

All the B div teams with the exception of the Hurricanes can compete in the A div. The Mustangs can compete but they would not be the bottom feeders. The Satans would lose the u25 players who play with the Kings but they would still hold their own. The Blackhawks have improved every season. The Leprechauns are without a doubt the next best up and coming team after the ND Giants.

Do the Giants and Satans have to go to A? From what I saw this year, A seemed like sort of a 2 team race the whole year. Watching the B games, they were the most intense and competitive games by far. Watching the Giants/Satans battle was one of the best matchups to watch, I would take that over Centurions/Falcon Machine anyday.

thats because its liek comparing apples and oranges... allthought Falcon are stupid good they had years to get that way, andthese young B teams with fresh young talent have to prove where they stand, falcons dont have to do that.. like the falcons are a national team if they want to be im pretty sure they represented us in Nationals a few years back..